Robert started this thread in May, 2019
Robert.G
May 2019 edited May 2019 in O Scale Builds
OK, for those who thought I fell asleep, here’s something to get focussed on again.
While still waiting for the Truck Repair, which is traveling around the globe apparently ( it’s in India…of all places, for the moment ) I decided to start on a project that will fill my modeling time for the next year I presume. The O scale Sawmill Project.
After taking the boxes in and out of my cabinet about a thousand times, study the content, man there is no end to the amount of castings, loads of wood, enough templates to cover my wall and so on, I finally found enough courage to start this huge build.
While I am still studying the manual, the templates etc, I am trying to get myself a picture of this build, the actual Sawmill Building, I started of with the machinery that goes into this Sawmill. These are multiple projects on its own. INCREDIBLE castings of the machinery.
So, here is the first one, the Double Husk. Of course more weathering when everything will be put together.
I think I will have to rely on you guys for answers to any additional build related questions that certainly will rise..
No way back now…
Robert
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vietnamseabee
May 2019
I’m sitting here with my popcorn and snacks waiting for the show to begin…anxiously awaiting this one
Terry
KKarns
May 2019
I must say Robert, you are going about it the right way! A little work and a bunch of thinkin!..The planning is a key component and a bunch of fun as well. Your start here, right out of the gate, looks absolutely wonderful…
kebmo
May 2019
i totally agree with ken.
admin
May 2019
Looking forward to see where you take this!
Jerry
May 2019
Beautiful work on the saw! Can only girt better from this point on!!
Jerry
prsdgt65
May 2019
That first machine looks amazing. How did you do your wood? Love the coloring!!!
Frank
brownbr
May 2019
Can’t wait to see what you do with this kit.
CarlLaskey
May 2019
Robert. Top shelf for sure.
TomMich
May 2019
Robert
Great job! The coloring on the wood is really great!
Joel
May 2019
Love it! Can’t wait to see more.
Robert.G
May 2019
We continue with the carriage. Now, don’t count on me posting every few days new work, unlike many of you, I am not retired yet… 
Anyways here’s the next installment . I could say each time how incredible the castings are, but I believe you got the point by now…: 
and a closeup from the wood.
Joel
May 2019
Wow Robert, amazing work. Love the aged battered wood deck.
CarlLaskey
May 2019
Robert. What did you use on the wood?..Carl…
kebmo
May 2019
sheesh, i wish i could model that well. that looks awesome. i am terrified of the tiny parts though.
Robert.G
May 2019
Carl, I use the same as always. That is , give structure in the wood, apply stain, layers of chalk. But instead of using alcohol, I use turps and a very little mat varnish as a binder.
I make my own ‘chalk paint’ as a matter of speaking…
When this is dry, after a night or so, I can easily apply a second layer of chalk without diluting the first. The varnish has sealed that first layer. It’s not that I cover the whole surface again, but I can put accents where I like them with a different color.
This proces takes more time because of the drying time of the varnish is much longer than the alcohol which evaporates immediately .
Then I start playing with diluted oils . Then, if I think it’s necessary , some more accents with the chalk pencils and the artist’s stump.
When all is completely dry and I am satisfied, I seal everything with a VERY thin layer of extra mat varnish. But that is really just a ‘mist’ of the stuff. A matter of consolidating everything so one can handle it without taking of the last layer of chalk.
Hope this helps a little.
And Kevin, when I look at your latest build, I don’t have any doubts that you can’t model like this…And for the tiny parts, I do have to use a head magnifier. I lost my Hawk’s Eye a while ago…
CarlLaskey
May 2019
Thank You very Robert I will give it a try. …Carl…
Dave_S
May 2019
Robert,
Was the log in your photo above one you created yourself using our toothpick method to create the presence of former tree limbs (knots) or one you found outside?
As always, there are great photos to illustrate your progress.
Thanks, Later, Dave S Tucson, AZ
sdrees
May 2019
Hey Robert, I really like the different techniques you present here because the results are just awesome
Robert.G
May 2019
Dave, I have chosen a ’ log ’ with these details in it. It is a branch from a Douglas fir .
Thanks Steven, my pleasure .
brownbr
May 2019
The results on the wood is worth the extra effort.
Dave_S
May 2019 edited May 2019
Thanks for that information Robert. We do have some Douglas fir trees in the higher elevations of our Santa Catalina Mountains here in Tucson. Looks like it is time to head up to Summerhaven in the mountains for lunch and a visit to the Forest Service Station to see if I can locate one of those elusive trees. Local tree ring experts have found a Douglas fir tree in the Santa Catalinas that was dated to about 1320 nearly 700 years old (175 years prior to Columbus’s arrival in the Americas). The oldest trees are hard to find as they have adapted to growing in rugged rocky ravine locations that are safe from high winds, lightening strikes and forest fires.
Later, Dave S. Tucson, AZ
Jim M
May 2019
Great job, beautiful
Robert.G
May 2019
The live rolls. Anyway, as far as I can do now. The rest is mounted into the sawmill floor.
This is such a fantastic build and it’s only the beginning…
to be continued…
TomMich
May 2019
Robert,
Awesome work!
Dave_S
May 2019
Robert,
As always this looks amazing. Just like the real deal. Thanks for these detail photos.
Later, Dave S. Tucson, AZ
brownbr
May 2019
Excellent!
Robert.G
May 2019
The dead rolls and the dead rolls extension . Pretty straight forward. Can’t be all spectacular. Just great fun to do.
soon more..
kebmo
May 2019
excellent!
brownbr
May 2019
You always do such a nice job of weathering the wood to look natural in the setting in which it is placed. Kudos.
Robert.G
May 2019
Thanks Bryan. One just has to think logically …
admin
May 2019
Beautiful work as always Robert!
EricMG
May 2019
Now I have a template to go by for my own sawmill. Your work is a bit beyond everything else I’ve seen. It has that extra something that elevates it to art. I’m going to curate a show at one of my galleries I show at of model photos. Perhaps you would be willing to be one of four modeling artists I am choosing. You probably wouldn’t make more than 10k in sales, but it would be a first in the art world. Think about it, Robert. No hurry!
Joel
May 2019
Never stop to amaze me. Thanks so much for taking the time.
KKarns
May 2019
Beautifully done!
Robert.G
May 2019 92.188.19.231
Now let’s get serious…The Edger
thanks for watching, soon more great stuff…
CarlLaskey
May 2019
Robert. Very nice work so far. …Carl…
sdrees
May 2019
the colors for the edger are just outstanding
Dave_S
May 2019
Robert,
I have a stack of mesquite that I plan to use for some furniture projects. Would you run it through that edger for me so I can have a nice true and straight edge to square off of.
Later, Dave S. Tucson, AZ The Heart of the Sonoran Desert
TomMich
May 2019
Outstanding!
prsdgt65
May 2019
The coloring on the machinery is spot on along with the wood coloring.
Frank
Joel
May 2019
A work of art Robert. Beautiful!
brownbr
May 2019
Excellent. Have you thought about how you would like to add accumulated sawdust?
Robert.G
May 2019
Not yet Bryan, I’ll do so when all the machinery is set up and I have a better idea of the workflow in he sawmill.
I also need to figure out the best way to depict the actual sawdust. It will have to be VERY fine, more like sanding powder from a belt sander or similar. Real sawdust, even sifted is way too big in 1/48.
But there are several alternatives. Like some kitchen spices, pepper, etc. But that’s for later…
Anyways, thanks all of you for the nice comments.
I am sure there are several sawmill kits out there that are being build, so show your work guys…
MuddyCreekRR
May 2019
Wow…
MuddyCreekRR
May 2019
Sawdust…now that you mention it…how about a pile of wood colored chalk dust…held together with a drop of white glue…then some more sprinkled on top as it sets up…have done this with rust texture…headed to the shop to give it a try…
kebmo
May 2019
i’ve been saving the “sawdust” from my board texturing. I have about a third of a cup of it and it appears to be fine enough for an O scale saw mill.
admin
May 2019
kebmo said:
i’ve been saving the “sawdust” from my board texturing. I have about a third of a cup of it and it appears to be fine enough for an O scale saw mill.
works great!
KKarns
May 2019
The first thing I notice, other than the routine fabulous detail work by Robert, is the wood finish. Gives me the impression of old aged, well worn, oil stained, rock hard, oak timbers that give the sense of operational use and so perfectly done.
Dave_S
May 2019
More great work and photos from Robert to inspire us for us to devour.
I think Ken has “hit the proverbial nail on the head” with his description of how Robert has aged and oil stained the large oak timbers.
"… give the impression of old aged, well worn, oil stained, rock hard, oak timbers that give the sense of operational use and so perfectly done.
As Kevin has suggested, I not only save the fine dust and particles that result from adding grain to age siding but also have a jar of sawdust from my belt sander and orbital sander dust bags.
Later, Dave S. Tucson, AZ
Robert.G
May 2019
Ken, that’s exactly what I was aiming at. You’ve noticed and described this spot on ! Many thanks.
EricMG
May 2019
Ken is the HO god. Robert is the O-scale god.
Robert.G
May 2019 edited May 2019 92.188.44.174
Well, let’s be modest, we just try to make the best of it, get the most out of these wonderful kits..
Anyways, next in line, The Double Cylinder Mill Engine.
Man, what a fantastic machine this is.. I’d like to build it all over knowing what I do now after building this one. One thing is certain: small white metal castings are SOOOO fragile.. Broke off several ones on the governor and others… The leather belt will be more tightened when the rest of the tubing comes in place. I tried it now but broke the small pulley ( again)
to be continued… of course
CarlLaskey
May 2019
Robert. So well done I do not have a word other than, Outstanding. …Carl…
Robert.G
May 2019
one more, forgotten…
Joel
May 2019
excellent work as always. Thanks for posting.
TomMich
May 2019
Awesome!
KKarns
May 2019
Gee wiz Robert, I just get done ogling one fantastic piece and you are already posting another! Striking concrete work Robert!..and what an incredible casting to start with. How Brett is able to achieve such a beautiful casting of concrete in that size is amazing. your weathering here is superb with the aged yellowish/green base color and then the perfectly blended rust stains and oil…such a pleasure to see this quality of modeling.
brownbr
May 2019
Excellent!
sdrees
May 2019
What can I say Robert Awesome!!!
kebmo
May 2019
wow…i’m awestruck.
kebmo
May 2019
my jaw’s on the floor…
Robert.G
May 2019
Pick it back up Kebmo, here’s the next installment , the Stationary Boiler. (without the concrete base for now) If you look very closely, you will see the glass water gauge…
soon more goodies…
Joel
May 2019
What perfect colour and texture. Beautiful stuff Robert.
TomMich
May 2019
The color and texture is amazing!
MuddyCreekRR
May 2019
Really nice work…
brownbr
June 2019
I really enjoy the texture you achieved along with the hints of steel peeking through the rust at just the right spots. Did you use a microhematocrit tube for the glass? I should have thought of that.
Robert.G
June 2019
Bryan, ‘microhematocrit’ is a thousand $ word for me, I used transparent optic fiber… 
kebmo
June 2019
unbelievable. i can’t wait to see it on the concrete pad.
kebmo
June 2019
had to google microhematocrit, and i can’t figure out the application…
Robert.G
June 2019 92.188.44.174
Here’s the Boiler on it’s concrete pad. ( the sun was gone.. )
The rest of the machinery is to be installed in the floor, so I will start of with some woodwork . Beams, joists and stuff… )
WesWes
June 2019
Wow wow wow.
Robert.G
June 2019
So, the next thing I made is ’ The Scratcher’ No , no, it’s not a new NWSL device, it’s a genuine Robert.G artefact.
To make dieper groves in the stripwood and especially in the harder species of wood, where a wire brush won’t do the job, this little convenient utensil made out of oak and inserted sharpened small nails embedded in epoxy performs excellent.
I also use it to give structure to the ends of beams instead of banging these with a card file as per instructions. I think that is to coarse. Unless you want them to look very distressed.
Then I assembled the sub floor structure. I found it very satisfying to put very small nails into the joints. After all , they won’t be seen when the planking is done , give much strength and hold everything together when glued. One can continue without having to wait for glue to dry.
soon more..
EricMG
June 2019
This is truly a fantastic build, Robert! Love the scratcher! I’ll make one from maple, which is the Maine hardwood. Europe has a lot of oak. Here in Maine, it is maple and pine. Glad to see you deviating from the instructions and making improvements!
EricMG
June 2019
The ash below to stove door is amazing. Robert, as an experiment, try Golden brand green metallic (fine) acrylic to give the look of glass on small things like bottles, etc. It might even work on the boiler glass to show the water in the glass tube. It is very subtle and transparent from some angles.
KKarns
June 2019
Wonderful stuff. Wood graining is spot on for old timbers like that.
Dave_S
June 2019
Robert,
That is one mean looking back-scratcher! Looks like it would be pretty effective at roughing up tree trunks as well.
Later, Dave S. Tucson, AZ
Robert.G
June 2019
So, all the piers have been placed, as is the drum and sheaves. Next the cables. There is minimal weathering so far because, as stated in the manual, much will be hidden so don’t waist your time on details that won’t be seen.
Although cut with a small circular saw, there is sometimes a small difference in height between the piers what makes they don’t all sit on the ground. But STAY COOL as per instructions. So I did.. The scenery layer will dissolve that…
This is so much fun, I can only but recommend this fantastic kit to every serious modeler !!!
I’ll be back… 
kebmo
June 2019
very nice!
brownbr
June 2019
Fine work. You are making quick progress on this. I know how much wood there is in this kit!
admin
June 2019
Beautiful Robert! I love the Sawmills foundation.
Robert.G
June 2019
Some old beam ends.. Here on the pics they look BIG, actually they are tiny…0,15 x 0,19"
these are the tools of the trade..
EricMG
June 2019
Simply the best!
KKarns
June 2019
Great idea!..and excellent results…
Dave_S
June 2019
Robert,
Exquisite detailing. Taking our modeling to another level of fine detail. Those look like leather punches to me. Correct?
Thanks, Dave Sarther Tucson, AZ
Joel
June 2019
Great detail. Love it!
Robert.G
June 2019
Yes Dave, leather, paper, etc.
Robert.G
June 2019
The skids on their brackets, cable drum, steel cable… I added, rail spikes and bolts through the brackets.
More and final weathering when in situ..
kebmo
June 2019
amazing.
i should be playing with legos
Robert.G
June 2019
No you don’t !!!
kebmo
June 2019
LOL!! ok, ok.
sdrees
June 2019
Just amazing Robert!
Joel
June 2019
Beautiful work Robert. Just fantastic.
EricMG
June 2019
The French Chucky strikes again! The oily metal is the best I’ve ever seen in 1/48th. HOW! How do you go it? I will be forced to copy.
Robert.G
June 2019
You are to kind…
TomMich
June 2019
Robert, your wood texturing is outstanding, as is the color of the metal parts. Like how you used the punches on the beam ends.
Robert.G
June 2019
The log loading deck. Since this is completely outside, it has a more sun bleached weathering than the mill inside. Final weathering when everything is put together.
That’s all Folks,
(for now… )
brownbr
June 2019
Looks great. The timber ends are a fantastic touch. Too bad they will be barely noticed. This kind of attention to detail provides for extra surprises for those who look closely at the finished product.
Joel
June 2019
Great attention to detail. Amazing results
kebmo
June 2019
O.M.G.
sdrees
June 2019
This is just out of the ordinary Robert. WOW!!!
EricMG
June 2019
I’m with Keb on this one!
admin
June 2019
Incredible…
Robert.G
June 2019
Like a told Brett and others before, to me this is The Mother of all SW kits, so it deserves the best treatment ever…
For those who have build it, they know, this isn’t just another kit. When I see all the full scale plans and templates laying on the floor, look at the huge pile of wood, tons of great castings, not to mention the sawmill machinery, that is out of this world, one becomes humble.
trains4ms
June 2019
The words above are so true! Having built this kit and seeing how things are laid out in the instructions, and you are walked through all areas of construction is amazing. Thank you Brett for doing such a great job on a fantastic kit.
Mike S
trains4ms
June 2019
One other thing, you are doing an outstanding job on this build.
Mike S.
EricMG
June 2019
Brett made a good kit, Robert is turning it into poetry.
KKarns
June 2019
B..e..a..utiful!
Robert.G
June 2019
The Head frame.
As an extra personal touch, I decided to reinforce these constructions because, after so many years of heavy use, the two beams started to wiggle a bit. So I forged these big iron ( brass)
crochets to hold everything together. Nobody wants these to fall on their heads…
and we keep going…
Dave_S
June 2019
Robert,
Nice addition of more finely executed detail.
Later, Dave S. Tucson, AZ
Joel
June 2019
amazing. Love every bit.
kebmo
June 2019
me too!
admin
June 2019
Just keeps getting better!
Robert.G
June 2019
The main drive shaft supports.
One must not forget , on these photos, everything looks HUGE. But that’s the only way to really see the details. The wood graining, the beautiful resin / concrete castings that come alive after painting and weathering..
Final weathering , as always, when in place…
Joel
June 2019
Stunning work Robert.
Dave_S
June 2019
Robert,
Magnificent! You have a unique ability to make all these castings and strip wood from this kit come alive for us. Thanks for all the detail photos.
Later, Dave S. Tucson, AZ
EricMG
June 2019
Eight thumbs up!
KKarns
July 2019
B..e..a..utiful work…I think I’ve said that before…hmm.
TomMich
July 2019
The concrete weathering is fantastic! The rest ain’t so bad either
Robert.G
July 2019 92.188.38.44
It is a fantastic resin piece to begin with…
Robert.G
July 2019
OK guys, here is the slightly modified sawdust bin. I decided to build this because I wanted to be sure that the curve for the rail ties was alright .Now I can place it in front of the sub floor and adjust the foam better.
As you probably expected from me, I wasn’t gonna build this by ‘The Book’ . I added some details, modified the shute underneath. Not that Brett’s laser cut one wasn’t good, I just wanted to build one out of real planks.
I also decided I wanted the metal shute door to be open so one could see inside. Of course this would mean that the bin had been emptied.
I also modified the open/closing system of the metal door. As it was, the ,( in my opinion, )to big chain, would always rub against the hanging irons. Not good. So, I made this two pulley system. Seen this way of opening things before.
This is again a kit within a kit. LOTS of fun and opportunity to be creative. Hope you like it.
Joel
July 2019
Stunning, I love the wood detail. 2 knot holes but so realistic. Beautiful!
Jerry
July 2019
You sure are taking this to another level. Beautiful detail work!!
Jerry
MuddyCreekRR
July 2019
Very…very nice…
Robert.G
July 2019
When I posted the last photo, I realised there was something missing on the bin floor. It looked like this floor was floating. Nothing for it to rest upon. So I added these joists. Looks much better I think. I still have to add a nbw here and there.
Also an opportunity to get a view from underneath.
EricMG
July 2019
Those are the first “knots” that actually look like knots as opposed to a toothpick. How did you do it? This is a small masterpiece!
TomMich
July 2019
Great work Robert! The rusted door is outstanding! The rest of the bin is awesome too!
Robert.G
July 2019
A small update for a lot of work done. As you can see, the edge near the track line isn’t straight because of the future placement in a larger diorama. But that’s for later.
Before putting the scenery layer, I cut in cardboard the boiler and mill engine bases instead of placing the real two. A matter of not damaging them while messing with sprayed water, throwing sand, bark and stuff all over the place and on top the thinned white glue.
I also used lead weights to hold everything down whilst drying. And when I ran out of lead, a heavy hammer worked aswel.
Where the piers didn’t touch the base, I put some extra scenery material with glue to fill the tiny gaps. Had to be cool according the manual. So I was…
So , for now I will let it dry overnight and keep on reading the manual. I believe I read that book more than a priest reads his bible…
Soon more goodies…
EricMG
July 2019
Amazing! Funny how I never read the manual unless I absolutely must.
admin
July 2019 edited July 2019
I just love this part of the build Robert. The sub-floor is so cool, it seems a shame to cover it up but hey, the bits on top are even cooler! Thanks for the update, wonderful progress. Can’t wait to see more!
Joel
July 2019
Beautiful and precise work. Very impressive. Taking notes, even if I can’t achieve it, it gives me something to shoot for.
KKarns
July 2019
Such beautiful work Robert. Your’re putting together a stellar piece here my friend.
kebmo
July 2019
i’m always in awe of your modeling. this is just one more reason why…
Robert.G
July 2019
Thanks guys. But you all know where it begins with don’t you… A superb kit !!!
Joel, don’t be so modest, when I see what you do with the Truck Repair, I take notes too.
The same goes for you Kebmo, your latest build is one I follow with great pleasure.
brownbr
July 2019
Nice. The drystack wall in the background would look good in a model somewhere.
Robert.G
July 2019
Next ‘chapter’ . The log stop with wooden base.
Of course I read the manual…a zillion times, but here I decided to assemble the installation, mount it on the long shaft and marked where it was positioned on the wooden base. Took it back off , patinated the whole and then glued it on the base.
( Ed, hope you’ve enjoyed the concert.. )
Joel
July 2019
Running out of superlatives here Robert. Stunning work.
sdrees
July 2019
Your details are above and beyond from the treatment of the wood and your castings
Dave_S
July 2019
Robert,
Great artistic touch on blending the rust into the oily finish on the cylinder. Very natural looking.
Later, Dave S. Tucson, AZ
Bill
July 2019
Terrific execution on those cylinders, Robert. There’s a real sense that they’ve been in service a long time and the seals are leaking.
The detail on the casting is really amazing (look at the bolt heads and seams on the ends!). The only downside: no matter how/where you position it, you KNOW you’re inadvertently hiding something really good!
EricMG
July 2019
Best old timbers I’ve ever seen. Even as a writer I’m running out of words!
Robert.G
July 2019
Thanks people. Next will be the floor. Just give me a moment…or rather, lots of moments. It is a great surface. Should be great fun aswel…
Robert.G
July 2019
a few more… working on the floor.
EricMG
July 2019
You’ve reached a height of modeling I’m not sure can be rivaled.
kebmo
July 2019
i concur…
admin
July 2019
wow!
TomMich
July 2019
Simply AWESOME!
MuddyCreekRR
July 2019
I’ve said this before…“Look’s more real…than real does…”
kebmo
July 2019
wow.
and wow
sdrees
July 2019
When I am looking at posts made by Robert, I am always not sure whether I am looking at 1:1 or a 1:48
Dave_S
July 2019 edited July 2019
Robert,
Since you made us aware of how to model growth rings, checks and splits on the ends of large beams in your build on some of the component parts of this structure, I have begun to look for them in other structure models as well. For me it has become a signature mark of attention to fine details.
These last photos included above with your cylinder show your growth ring markings at the end of the timbers very well as well as the checks and splits in the lumber seasoning/drying out.
Now I am practicing on some scale 12" X 12" timbers to try to get down the growth ring effect you have shown us.
Later, Dave S. Tucson, AZ
KKarns
July 2019
Your work on the timbers is wonderful! Such great work…
Dave_S
Ed,
Good eye. Yes, I attached a link to Robert’s previous photos so our members wouldn’t have to page back to find the original ones. I look at it as being a courtesy to readers to post links to previous photos in the build to make reference work easier.
Later, Dave S. Tucson, AZ
Joel
July 2019
Just incredible.
kebmo
July 2019
there really are no apt words to describe this. i can easily imagine this model as the real deal. it’s pretty damned incredible.
nextceo
August 2019
Fantastic!
Robert.G
August 2019
Been working for hours and hours on preparing boards for the decking. ( later photos) So, I am at the point of glueing the head frames. Did that and want to show you guys what I did.
Working with wood for about my whole life, I know it is nearly impossible to glue a piece of end grain wood just with glue and no further ways of reinforcement. I mean, a dowel, a tenon.
(It would break of with the slightest bump. Especially these head frames that will carry heavy pulleys.)
So what I did with the head frames was adding just that. And by means of nails that were inserted , after drilling the proper hole, and cut of at the right length.
Of course, these holes need to be at right angles and not as an extension of the beams .The nails have to go straight down in the floor.
To know where to drill the holes in the floor, I put some masking tape and either marked the points with a fine sharpie or I pushed the head frame into it. ( for the one in the center) Then I knew exactly where to drill these holes.
Then I epoxied them , making sure the are at 90° at both sides. A square helps, but also the old school eyeball trick. ( I guess I am old school) Compare the top of a head frame with an existing straight line. And compare both with each other. Have to be paralel .
To even reinforce them some more, I piled some ground cover around the bases of the head frames. That would not only hold them better, but they look as they are really imbedded in the ground. After wetting , diluted glue all over and when dry, steady as a rock.
If there is one thing I hate in modeling, is that buildings, poles etc. are put ON top instead of IN the ground. Gives terrible lines as they were floating…
Anyways, this is where I am for now. Soon more on the decking.
btw, this build is getting more exiting with each board I lay down and one gets the irresistible urge to keep on going… but glue needs to dry..
And here the pics. ( more functional than artistic this time…)
See you soon…
EricMG
August 2019
TRIPLE WOW!
EricMG
August 2019 142.0.108.24
Are the “nail” pins needed to support the model or just in reality?
admin
August 2019 edited August 2019
Excellent progress Robert! My sawmill pilot model has logged well over 2000 miles traveling to various shows without pins and nothing has “popped” loose. Certainly can’t hurt adding pins but they are not necessary as long as enough epoxy is used to secure the legs to the base.
Robert.G
August 2019
Yes you are right, and more, the one in the center is held by the floor aswel. But I wanted to be sure. The shaft will hold the two together also. And in the end, no manipulation will take place.
You can look but please don’t touch…
Who wrote that Ed…? ..
Robert.G
August 2019
I was referring to the 70ties Soul Disco ‘The Three Degrees…’ But the Boss is fine by me aswel… You are a real groupie Ed. I count only 3 PF concerts.
The decking almost finished. I got help from my wife to prepare the boards. When she saw me sitting for hours, drilling tiny holes for the knots, she felt sorry I suppose and offered me to help. ( at first she thought it was quiet crazy to do this. Who would notice these… I do !!! )
The ways of the Lord are strange, but those of women even stranger…
Robert.G
August 2019
Whilst decking the subfloor, I started working on the walls. There is much that needs to dry every time, so I found myself working on several parts . The urge of keep on going I guess …
So here a few pics of the first wall construction. As I wanted to go a bit further then the manual, I assembled the header in a way that is often found when a little more work is allowed in the construction. It is allowed here in mine…
( I noticed while taking the pics, the little burr on the post in the second pic .Will remove that. It is only in enlarged photos that one sees the imperfections..)
soon more…
vietnamseabee
August 2019
Amazing joinery…amazing weathering…well done
Terry
EricMG
August 2019
Love the scarf joint. Is that how it’s spelled?
CarlLaskey
August 2019
Dave_S
August 2019 edited August 2019
Robert,
Great eye for detail. Once again a detail that sets your modeling above many others, the addition of a “trait de juniper” (or “bolt of lightning joint”). I think this may be the first time I have seen somebody model a scarf joint in a scale model. Thanks for showing us that adding this sort of detail is not just possible but a detail extraordinaire. You must have some experience in timber framing yourself to attempt to replicate this sort of joint in your modeling.
Eric,
Scarf joint is sometimes also spelled “scarph joint”. But it seems like scarf is more commonly used.
Carl,
Thanks for adding that great photo of a scarf joint in a timber frame. I am a regular viewer of the TV program “Barnwood Builders” on HG TV and host Mark Bowe would be oohing and ahhing over that joint and the patina of the timbers. Not just the joint but also the wood pegs and wedges that hold everything together including the 45 degree braces that stabilize the post and beam connections.
Later, Dave S Tucson, AZ
Robert.G
August 2019
This was my example in the barn at my farmhouse. I left out the fancy wood pegs…
Dave, even people without experience just have to keep their eyes open. It’s all out there…
Dave_S
August 2019
Robert,
What type of timber was used in your farmhouse construction? Very interesting grain and color? In the USA the preferred species would have included oak and poplar in the East and Midwest and Douglas Fir in the West..
Later, Dave S Tucson, AZ
Robert.G
August 2019
Mostly chestnut and then oak ( I believe what you name white oak )
KKarns
August 2019
Wonderful modeling Robert!
kebmo
August 2019
that is an awesome joint. great work carl and robert
sdrees
August 2019
I just love the weathering on your timbers Robert!
brownbr
August 2019
I like it!
CarlLaskey
August 2019
Thank’s Dave. Here in the North East I used Red Oak Ash and Cherry. I was fortunate to get all of the timber’s from our land. …Carl…
Jerry
August 2019
CarlLaskey said:
Thank’s Dave. Here in the North East I used Red Oak Ash and Cherry. I was fortunate to get all of the timber’s from our land. …Carl…
And folks that one hell of a house Carl built. You have to see it in person to believe the framing!!
Jerry
Robert.G
August 2019
The glueing down of the first wall. Quiet an installation to do so !!
And the finished floor. Needs some more weathering of course, but with this you get an idea…
EricMG
August 2019
Divine! Please post on ONLY if you are willing!
KKarns
August 2019
I got nothin…hallowed ground and above my pay grade…!
sdrees
August 2019
So Robert, what is your process for weathering the floor boards? It is very impressive. What do you use to treat the ends of the boards also?
EricMG
August 2019
Drees, look back. It is FULLY explained.
Robert.G
August 2019
The large headers are in place. I used small clamps to hold them together whilst drying.
Reversed cloths pins for the smaller pieces.
The belts for the double husk and the live rolls are , as per manual, placed aswel. Later there will be no room for this.
The track behind the sawmill is of my layout in 1/43,5. Nothing to do with the sawmill, but this was the only spare place left to place the sawmill under the lights of that layout.
vietnamseabee
August 2019
Very much enjoying following along on this build…well done Robert
Terry
kebmo
August 2019
amazing job on an amazing kit.
CarlLaskey
August 2019
Robert.
You are the master of kit building great work. …Carl…
Robert.G
August 2019
You know Carl, when I first looked at this kit and the elaborate manual ( more than 120 pages) I thought, This is far beyond my league. But once you dive into it, read the manual very carefully, and again and again until you get it, you just start building and step by step you work your way through this fantastic kit.
And when it will be build, I will say, that wasn’t so hard to do. ( I hope… ) You are well guided and in doubt, ask the Man himself…
Anyways, thanks for all the support guys.
Return to the bench now.. Soon more pics.
admin
August 2019
Coming together so well Robert!
Robert.G
August 2019
Now begins the most serious part so far . ( for me that is )
The shaft installation. Everything has to line up perfectly so I first lay them all (almost all) out on the headers to get an idea where everything goes. ( that is underneath the headers)
Even with a strict following of the templates and plans, there is always a small difference between plans and reality. Nothing to worry about, but hence the try out before the glue out…
Here are the shaft lines , not blackened yet, with the pillow blocks and the second are the wheels and gears that will come on them when they will be glued.
Tomorrow, I’ll do the dry set up with the cloths pins and then epoxy everything.
Now a comic strip ( like every night) and then sleep…
sdrees
August 2019
Very nice job Robert!
Robert.G
August 2019
As I wanted to leave the shafts to dry and also to take some distance of it all, I decided to start on the Maintenance Shed walls . At this stage, it’s perfectly possible. Just do something else for a moment. The shaft installation requires a lot of concentration.
So here is the front wall with the sliding door.
I wanted to bring in some color between all of the bare wood inside the mill, so I did. I also repaired the door because it was falling apart on the bottom. No respect from those young punks ..
Although I am certain Brett did extensive research on the subject, and the details are prototypically correct, I personally find the hangers a bit to big now I see them when they are mounted on the door.
Anyways, here it is.
soon more. It’s not over till it’s over…
Joel
August 2019
Astounding work as always. Thanks for sharing.
kebmo
August 2019
that wall looks really great!
EricMG
August 2019
Just the best! Really love this. I might copy it in green.
sdrees
August 2019
Your weathering is just fantastic Robert! WOW!!!
Robert.G
August 2019
Eric, do you have the Sawmill kit to copy in green ? Would look great. Green was my first choice, but had none at hand, so it became dark yellow..
brownbr
August 2019
Excellent wood coloring. Painting vs using chalks really makes the knots stand out.
Robert.G
August 2019
What seemed to me the most complicated part of this build is done. And wasn’t so complicated after all. The tangle of belts, myriad of wheels, shafts and so on would overawe anybody that didn’t know the SW bible. The very elaborate and comprehensive manual.
So I survived this part as well…
Here are some pics of where I am now. The light isn’t that good because they are taken under the very bright work lights… But you get the ..euh picture..
sdrees
August 2019
Robert, you just keep amazing me!
Robert.G
August 2019
This is the retaining wall in front of the sawdust bin. Take a good look at it now because once installed, very little will be seen. ( as with many parts…) The lower part will be embedded in sawdust, bark and other ground coverings that surround this bin.
This build is quiet addictive, so be warned! …
trains4ms
August 2019
Having built this kit, you are correct, on it being addictive. You are also doing an outstanding job with it. The wood weathering techniques you are using are really outstanding.
I’m looking forward to your roof. Please try to make it removable. Maybe just part of it at least. I’m sorry I did not do this on mine.
Mike S.
EricMG
August 2019
Robert, what are we going to do with you? The leather belts KILL me! Everything is simply SO SO SO DAMN good.
EricMG
August 2019
Really, the finest belts I’ve ever seen. It is IMPOSSIBLE to believe every pully does not turn.
Robert.G
August 2019
Leather is amongst my preferred materials.. As is wood and ivory…( sorry Gaia)
And Eric, sit back, relax and enjoy the show…
And yes, the roof WILL be removable. I did this already with my previous build. The Logging & Tractor Repair Shed. There is to much beauty in these kits to hide half of it.
Robert.G
August 2019
And thanks for the support. On such a very extensive build, one can use this from time to time…
trains4ms
August 2019
I did not make the roof on my tractor shed removable either. Dumb! I did just build another one. I made it 10% larger, than the original kit. That roof is removable. I think it looks a little bit better, at that size, with the truck repair building for a scene that I’m planning.
Brett did a great job designing that roof to be removable.
Mike S.
TomMich
August 2019
Outstanding work Robert! Really enjoying following your build. Thanks for sharing.
EricMG
September 2019
I think the strangers who follow our modeling might not realize how important a little response is. I gets very lonely otherwise. Just a “nice” can mean a lot.
EricMG
September 2019
Mike S. When will you be posting some pictures of your modeling?
EricMG
September 2019
Are the belts really leather? HOW! So thin!
Robert.G
September 2019 edited September 2019
No, the provided Tyvec sheet. If you really would like to use leather, take parchment.
Robert.G
September 2019
Before it gets to hard to take these views because a lot of stuff will be placed everywhere , I took them now so you can see what’s cookin’ I had to dig in the camera to take them…
Sometimes, there is to much light, ( I explained that before) but I can’t go and drag this build down the stairs , go outside and take a few pics every time I added something.
It’s getting to fragile.
So , voila…( that’s French… )
And we keep on keepin’ on..
EricMG
September 2019
Master class!
admin
September 2019
Beautiful Robert!
sdrees
September 2019
Just fantastic Robert! WOW!!!
Dave_S
September 2019
Amazing. Really fantastic craftsmanship.
Later, Dave S
brownbr
September 2019
You are making me want to build this kit again. Wonderful job.
KKarns
September 2019
Magnifico!
Joel
September 2019
Incredible work. Lovely to watch. Thanks for posting
kebmo
September 2019
jaw dropping. no seriously, mine’s on the floor right now.
trains4ms
September 2019
No posts for thirteen days? I’m guessing you are working on that very large roof!
Mike S.
Robert.G
September 2019 edited September 2019
No Mike, I am working on the castings since I’m in Belgium now. Not in France where my sawmill is right now. Can’t take it with me, but the castings I can. Soon pics. Thanks for following. ( and being curious… )
trains4ms
September 2019
Robert, that was my other choice, besides the roof. There are so many of them, it really takes a while for the office and store room areas.
Mike S.
Jerry
September 2019
Beautiful work!!
Jerry
Robert.G
October 2019
Since I have a lot of work professionally , the sawmill is a bit slow now. I did manage to paint all the castings. Also working on the office/ maintenance room walls. Soon pics of that.
Here a few castings. Sorry for the bad quality of the pics, but they were taken under the work lights( it rains outside…)
kebmo
October 2019
outstanding details! they look absolutely real. is that an actual sag in the lower shelf of the workbench, or is it a perceived sag?
Robert.G
October 2019
Actual one. It’s gonna be files with stuff , so the long years of heavy things stacked on that shelf made it to bend…
EricMG
October 2019
Just the right amount of color!
Robert.G
October 2019
Here are the interior walls. Office, maintenance, storage. As they are interior, they have a different kind of weathering. Less grey, they are not sun bleached, no rain to wash them so…
Joel
October 2019
Beautiful work Robert. Love the shelf supports. Great stuff.
EricMG
October 2019
Are the supports in the kit?
Robert.G
October 2019
Flat riveted pieces are in the kit. You bend them and put the a small piece of wire from end to end.
admin
October 2019
Wonderful Robert, attention to detail is impeccable as usual!
kebmo
October 2019
color is spot on!
Robert.G
October 2019 edited October 2019
playing with the castings… Under the shelves will come a small workbench . Hence the height of the lowest shelf.
sdrees
October 2019
What do you mean Ed flawless?. Robert created all the flaws on the siding and castings which get the WOW Factor!!!
KKarns
October 2019
Most excellent Robert.
Robert.G
October 2019
Been working on the collection of trestles .
EricMG
October 2019
NICE!
TomMich
October 2019
Great color and textures. Look WELL used!
prsdgt65
October 2019
They look terrific.
Joel
October 2019
Fantastic!
Jerry
December 2019
Robert is there an update on the Sawmill??
Jerry
Robert.G
December 2019 edited December 2019
Hi Jerry, guys, as I explained to Brett earlier, I had a bit of a set back. That is, my daughter , Gabrielle ( age34) , was diagnosed with lymph cancer so that took me away from modeling for a while. Fortunately she took the chemo very well and is as good as recovered. I did manage to paint all the castings, that needed less concentration and I could set my mind on other things than the disease. I will start again very soon, so no panic, as soon as things get back to normal, I will start posting again. There’s a roof that needs to be mounted…
I do follow every move you guys make and am happy many nice builds are being presented.
And like a rather famous Californian / Austrian , big guy once said… I’ll be BACK…
CarlLaskey
December 2019
Robert.
So nice to here that Gabrielle is doing well that is a rough road. I had head and neck cancer last treatment ten years ago. I know how she feels but it will get better…Carl…
brownbr
December 2019
Wishing your daughter well.
Robert.G
December 2019
You are all very kind. Thanks.
Jerry
December 2019
Robert so glad to hear your daughter is making progress. I’m sure all will be well. God Bless her.
Jerry
admin
December 2019
I am so happy Gabrielle is doing better! Great news my friend!
Joel
December 2019
Robert, I am glad to hear Gabrielle responded well to the chemo. Good luck with everything and send her our best.
vietnamseabee
December 2019
Robert…my best wishes to Gabrielle and your family…
Terry
Robert.G
December 2019
Thanks for you support guys. Everything will work out fine. … Including the sawmill.. Just got to get used to seeing her without hair… But that will grow again.
Jim M
December 2019
Prayers for Gabrielle. That certainly puts things in proper perspective. So glad she’s on the mend.
MuddyCreekRR
December 2019
Glad to hear that your daughter is doing well…
kebmo
December 2019
me too robert.
KKarns
December 2019
Wonderful news Robert!
Jerry
December 2019
God Bless.
Jerry
Robert.G
January 2020
Back in business, the wall from the maintenance room. As Brett stated in the manual, do not copy, rather try to get the feel of it. So I did and made extra shelves to put on stuff.
I always try to get the logic in the placement of things. Why would a certain part hang, stand or be where it is ? Does it make sense ? It is easy to just scatter everything around, but does it feel right…
Anyway, the beat goes on…
KKarns
January 2020
Looks fantastic Robert!..love the ladder and the hangers for it. Once again your wood tones are wonderful. That…coupled with your detail work, makes for a superior result, heck of a piece of work…Ken
admin
January 2020
Beautifully detailed as usual, I love the ladder hanging on the wall.
sdrees
January 2020
Robert, every time I look at one of your projects, I just love the details of your wood. The worn ladder rungs look just great.
Joel
January 2020
as always, superb work. Great details.
Jerry
January 2020
Beautiful detailing.
Jerry
brownbr
January 2020
The ladder hooks are a clever idea.
TomMich
January 2020
Robert, texture. color and detailing on the wood is fantastic. That is one well used ladder, a nice touch. The labels on the cans is also nice.
Robert.G
January 2020
The first mini scenes come to life. Whilst waiting for things to dry, I made the shelves, and placed the engine and boiler. Of course, more weathering and covering of the ground will be done later.
CarlLaskey
January 2020
Robert.
The boxes with the rope handles are so neat an the red and white oil drums so well done.
O scale has some great detail nice work.
…Carl…
Mountaingoat
January 2020
Very impressive. Great work.
sdrees
January 2020
Just amazing Robert. I am lost for words
brownbr
January 2020
Rope handles are great. Also, I’m looking at your sawhorses and the ones I just built, and mine make me sad.
KKarns
January 2020
Details on the first pic are superb!..Love the glass bottle.
Robert.G
January 2020
Thanks guys, I do spend a lot of time searching for a natural layout in the composition of the different details. Like I was gonna make a painting. As I said before, there has to be a Logic in the placing of everything. I figured the rope handles would be a nice upgrade for the castings.
The sawhorses were modeled after the ones I use in my restoration workshop.
Soon more…
mikemettelka
January 2020
The paper wrapped item on almost the top shelf, left side of last pic… how?
Robert.G
January 2020 edited January 2020
That,'s actually a small piece of leftover cut off wood painted to look as a cardboard box. ( thanks magnifying lenses…)
EricMG
January 2020
REALLY great. Explain the yellow bottle with black cap? Absinthe?
EricMG
January 2020
How were the rope handles done?
EricMG
January 2020
Are the shelves actually swayed by the weight?
Robert.G
January 2020
Eric, nice to hear from you. The glass bottle is a white metal casting that I blackened, painted white and covered with shellac varnish to get the transparant, but still yellish layer. The black cap was done with a felt pen. Sharpie as you know them.
The rope handles are made of sewing yarn gleud in two small drilled holes with superglue. The moment I put the rope in the holes, I bended the yarn so it positioned towards the Side of the box. The cured glue kept it that way.
When I gleud the shelves to the sides, I bended them to give the impression that there is a lot of weight on them.
EricMG
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THank you!
TomMich
January 2020
Great work! Lots of interesting details to peruse.
kebmo
January 2020
i’d love to know the material you used for the rope handles. they look absolutely real.
Robert.G
January 2020
Keb, like I explained to Eric, YARN THREAD
kebmo
February 2020
cool, thnks robert. great detail.
Robert.G
February 2020
More great detailing here. I installed the stairway to heaven… no to the platform. ( Zep was playing… )
I installed a handrail, for the elderly…
The posts were represented as big logs hand hewn.
just look at the photos, the say more than I can say… It is such fun to compile these little scenes, played all night with the details just to do the stair scene..
Final weathering and finishing later.
CarlLaskey
February 2020
Robert.
The sky is the limit and you are there just outstanding.
sdrees
February 2020
Well Robert what can I say, but WOW!!!
EricMG
February 2020
I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a more impressive O-scale model. Mind-bending! BUT! That handrail is going to need a center support.
Mountaingoat
February 2020
Absolutely incredible.
Jerry
February 2020
Beautiful detail work Robert.
Jerry
Dave_S
February 2020
Robert,
Inquiring minds would like to know, how did you achieve the hand hewn look of the support posts? The texture and coloring look great.
Thanks, Dave S. Tucson, AZ
KKarns
February 2020
Hmmm…what can I say negatively…ummm…Oh!..the next to the last picture the foreground is slightly out of focus!!..ha…gotcha…
Superb in all respects Robert.
Robert.G
February 2020
Dave, the logs (dowels) were simply finely chopped with an n° 11 Xacto knife. Slightly tedious work…
Yes I know Ken, I am a lousy photographer…
brownbr
February 2020
I really like the texture and color you got on the dowels.
admin
February 2020
Wonderful Robert. Such realistic scenes, everything is blended so naturally.
TomMich
February 2020
Love the placement of the details around the stairs. Look so natural.
Jerry
February 2020
Beautiful detailing.
Jerry
Joel
February 2020
Great work Robert.
kebmo
February 2020
i am in awe…
Robert.G
February 2020
I continue with detailing the interior of the sawmill. Here are the Maintenance and Storage Rooms. I decided to instal the desk not in the main working area but in a separate space. I also toyed with the placement of the “furniture”…
Final weathering, that is, ‘chalking’ everything together is for later. It is still too clean. No dust yet..
No wonder this client keeps calling for his shipment, his work order lies underneath the desk. Damn…Sue Ellen…
Jerry
February 2020
Beautiful work.
Jerry
vietnamseabee
February 2020
Really spectacular, Robert
Terry
prsdgt65
February 2020
Outstanding.
Mountaingoat
February 2020
I can’t close my mouth. Wonderful eye for the details.
TomMich
February 2020
Awesome detail work! Love the worn stairs and the leather belting looks like leather.
sdrees
February 2020
All that I can say is your details are just fantastic. WOW!!!
brownbr
February 2020
Each casting is so well done. You took the books on the desk to a new level with the labels on the binding along with the Coke bottle.
KKarns
February 2020
Robert, wonderful work…just has that warm used I feel like Im right there look. Detail work is outstanding and brilliantly done…enough of that…whats up with that splintered splayed out board end in the 3rd picture from the bottom??..Ken
Robert.G
February 2020
A spot I’ve missed, taken care of… Even for me, there is so much
EricMG
February 2020
So . . . Sue Ellen uses a spitoon? JUST amazing, my friend!
admin
February 2020
Wonderful work, up to your usual high standards!
Robert.G
February 2020
Thanks people, this means a lot !!!
Robert.G
February 2020
Now I hang my coat and hat on the hook and take a break…
That’s all folks… for now.
Mountaingoat
February 2020
Beyond incredible!
Joel
February 2020
Stunning work Robert as always
EricMG
March 2020
Explain the shelf brackets, please.
admin
March 2020
the shelf brackets pictured are included in this kit!
Joel
March 2020
Fantastic stuff, great colouring and texture.
Robert.G
March 2020
OK guys, it’s been a while, but I didn’t fall asleep. As Ken said already, there goes an enormous amount of time in the small stuff, so you can imagine when we talk about the roof !!!
Anyway, I decided to, first make the whole roof construction removable. This has consequences of course. Much more work than it is already. But to hide all those magnificent scenes and beautiful castings would be a terrible shame. This implicated a whole new construction.
First I made the roof in cardboard parts. The same ones as the paper templates that are provided in the kit, but I needed something stronger and firmer than the paper. It had to hold all the roof beams whilst drying. Everything would be seen eventually when finished , so no fooling around !!!
Then the second BIG decision was that I wanted light coming in through the roof, so some sort of windows, on a semi industrial scale would be needed. After some googling I came upon these type of roof windows. I adapted them to my needs and this is the result.
Voila, (french) here are some impressions of what I did so far. Nothing is finished yet, glue is still drying , almost no weathering except the wood boards, nor detailing the interior. That is for later. so just look at the construction. The photos aren’t great because taken indoors with terrible light ( for photo taking) , but you’ll get the idea.
More later …
Dave_S
March 2020
Robert,
As always, more great information and photos. Awesome skylights. Thus far a great little tutorial.
Later, Dave S. Tucson, AZ
Mountaingoat
March 2020
Love the skylights. Doing a large roof that is removable is such a pain but necessary on such a beautiful structure build. You are doing a fantastic job.
Robert.G
March 2020
Ha !!! I learned a new word SKYLIGHTS… no windows…
It was a tough decision, I didn’t want the sawmill to look like a greenhouse.
Dave_S
March 2020
Robert,
The Ultimation Sander and Repeater are perfect tools for this type of precision roof rafter work. Have an Ultimation Repeater on order for creating precise roof rafters using my ultimation sander.
Later, Dave S Tucson, AZ
MuddyCreekRR
March 2020
I really like this idea…it crossed my mind on another large structure I was working on…very prototypical of large industrial venues…I may borrow this on my sawmill…
Robert.G
March 2020
Perhaps it is useful to say that the different parts of the roof are now held together by a small cotton ribbon soaked in white glue.
Later , when dry, I will turn the roof upside down and apply a seam of epoxy on the inside ,where two parts come together. This will be hidden by a small board so nothing will be seen. This will guarantee a strong bond. On the outside, over the cotton, tarpaper and boards as per manual.
When all is glued, dried it will be weathered so everything is as one.( if you know what I mean …)
a few more to illustrate my ‘doings’
The ‘glass’ comes from blister packaging , so free !
brownbr
March 2020
Bonus points for skylights.
Mountaingoat
March 2020
Bravo! Like your method for the roof too.
EricMG
March 2020
Wow! WOW! DOUBLE WOW!
trains4ms
March 2020
I’m not sure how many WOWS, I can add in this space, but there won’t be enough room. Great job on making a very large roof removeable. I will be anxious to see how the lighting goes too.
You have no idea how much I wish I had made at least part of the roof removeable, in my build of this great kit. I almost would think of selling my completed scene and then building another one. Crazy right?
Mike S.
KKarns
March 2020
Beautiful work Robert as always. Love the personal touches and creativity in making this “Robert’s Sawmill”. Your attention to detail is outstanding and a pleasure to peruse. Those shots of the interior are just amazing!..feels like I could just walk right in…Ken
TomMich
March 2020
Robert,
The skylights are a great idea. As the photos show they really allow a lot of light into the building. It’s these kinds of personal touches and creative ideas that makes this forum such a valuable resource. Brett makes outstanding kits, but creative changes like this makes them even more interesting.
admin
March 2020
The skylights are wonderful. They look amazing in the interior shots. Beautifully executed!
KCSTrains
March 2020
Robert, just catching up on your build. Incredible!!! I know modeling in O scale makes it a bit easier to bring out the details, you have paid attention to every detail and have made a very believable scene. Folks will really enjoy looking at this build. Thanks for sharing. Phil
SteveCuster
March 2020
Great work as usual Robert! Flawless!
mikemettelka
March 2020
Nice touch!
sdrees
March 2020
I don’t want to stir up a fight, but I don’t like the skylights. They are not prototypical on this type of sawmill, or any sawmill. The rest of the sawmill looks just like your other work Robert. WOW!!!
CarlLaskey
March 2020
Ouch and Harsh. !!!Carl.
CarlLaskey
March 2020
sdrees said:
I don’t want to stir up a fight, but I don’t like the skylights. They are not prototypical on this type of sawmill, or any sawmill. The rest of the sawmill looks just like your other work Robert. WOW!!!
Steve.
Just thinking about this Robert bought the kit he has the right to do anything that he likes,If he wants to put a glass roof on it so be it.
I did not know that we were rivet counters but there is a forum for that.
…The Dude…
EricMG
March 2020
If Drees doesn’t like the skylights, then allow him to have his opinion. Why are people SO upset by opinions that happen to be different these days? What is rivet county about an honest opinion? Personally, I think the skylights might have been more expensive THEN than electric lights, but I like the look from the inside very much. I worry about the rain though at the top seam.
admin
March 2020
I happen to agree with Eric, but that is my opinion, of which we are all certainly entitled to. This is Roberts build thread and thus far we have remained respectful of that. Please let’s continue to extend that courtesy to Robert.
mikemettelka
March 2020
I like the skylights!
Robert.G
March 2020 edited March 2020
Woah, I got myself on to thin ice here. First, there was a lot of thinking, searching for examples , considering about do or don’t. I spoke to Brett about my idea and no, he wasn’t that exited I was gonna alter his kit
As I mentioned, what’s the point of hiding all the nice CHB castings/machinery , as a matter of fact, hiding about 50 % of the whole interior once the roof is mounted.
Ok, you might say , make it removable, but are you gonna take off such a large , fragile roof construction every time someone wants to see the sawmill?? I don’t think so. You could say, leave the roof off, ?? Ok, but than you would have to make a COMPLETE truss, beams and, I don’t know all the roof parts names- construction which now isn’t the case.
At least not in the kit. ( and not necessary if build as per instruction)
I try to build the kits, especially this one as logical as possible. I made already some changes in the construction. That is making sure that , for example the weight of the upper construction goes down on a pier, and not on a board with nothing under it.
But hey, where do you stop.
Prototypical?? What’s in a word, right. I am sure, and said that on several occasions , that there went a lot of research from Brett in these kits, but on the other hand creativity is encouraged by the same Brett !!!
And yes Eric I also did think about the rain coming thru . You’ll see , ( on the building photo, ) the seems are covered with tarpaper. As in real life !!!
And when I look at all the kits build here, there is none that is rainproof. ! Beautiful, weathered, worn, but get those pots and pans ready when the rain comes down ! But who cares…???
I also did some research on the net before beginning with the skylight adventure, just to make sure this was done in reality aswel. Look at the old sawmill photos.
So, I am not writing all this in defense, only to say that I wanted to get the most out of this kit as I do with all the others I’ve build and those waiting to be build.
I also noticed I always draw attention to fellow forum members/builders when I do something out of the box as they say. So , Like it or not, I hope you all enjoy the build.
Usually, like Eric, I don’t like to show much photos of work in progress, it always seems to give a wrong idea, and most people can’t see through the proces . I’d rather show something finished.
All that being said, I 'll go back to the bench and struggle some more with the installation of the lights. Make sure they are “prototypical” …
MuddyCreekRR
March 2020
Actually skylights were around in a lot of the old industrial structures at the turn of the century. Maybe not so much in backwoods sawmills…I was just at the mill this models design follows…and it did have 1 skylight of sorts. What it did have were high roofs with almost entirely open walls to let in as much light as possible during daylight hours…
I actually like the skylights…and I agree with it’s the modelers option to build his world as they see it…
sdrees
March 2020
Hey, it is Roberts sawmill and he can do anything that he likes to it. Why can’t I express my opinion. Overall, the project got a big WOW from me. I am in the process of putting lights in my sawmill and one section of the roof is removable. I belong to a group of model railroaders that meets for lunch on Wednesdays and people pass around ideas for individual layouts, always with the words “It is you layout do what you want with it”
admin
March 2020
Very well stated Robert. One point of clarification. I never have a problem with modifications to my kits. I truly enjoy seeing the personal touches each builder imparts. I just wasn’t overly in love with the skylight idea. I think the interior shots look amazing and really admire Robert for being bold and modeling the sawmill his way!
Robert.G
March 2020
Hey Steve, we’re cool yes. Of course everyone can express his/her opinion. I really have no problem with that. I don’t feel attacked I’d rather have people that say what they want to say than those who try to talk in favor of everybody.
I really appreciate ALL comments. Thanks for that.
Jerry
March 2020
Nice build Robert I think the skylights add a different dimension.
Just keep going your way it’s perfect.
Jerry
Robert.G
March 2020
engine909 said:
And who said we have to always be hugs and kisses? Outside of Kevin and Brett.
This forum brings joy to everyone. A little dust up would never change that. If it did than we are not what I think we are. A group of modelers who care about each other beyond building a kit.
engine909 said:
Build on Robert. . And I know damn well you do the research.
You are so right my Prog Brother..
EricMG
March 2020
Robert, I would place a copper triangular flange above each skylight. Just a slight angle to divert the rain AND SNOW. The snow load would be tough in Maine on those skylights! And who are YOU to say my roofs would leak! JOKING!
Robert.G
March 2020 edited March 2020
Next step. I decided to give the office area a roof. Seemed logic, less dust and dirt falling in, and the pot belly stove wouldn’t be burning just to heat the roof… ( climate awareness wasn’t an issue in those days apparently ) But more important, it gave me the opportunity to create a small attic.
On this attic I could concentrate
all the electrical wires coming from the lights all over the mill. (About 20 of them.), and hide this cluster with boards stacked to dry . These would be the better ones…
( confiscated by the mill boss, for private use ,probably… )
The lightning installation will be documented later, so the painted beams/wires are not finished yet.
The very thin wooden slats between the boards are made of colored thick paper. In real wood they would be too thick for these boards ,proportion wise. ( I couldn’t get that thin scale wood here anyway)
(Again , just work photos, nothing artistic because the awful light. Colors are a bit warmer))
Are you used to the skylights already ?.., like all new things, after a while it will seem they’ve been there for ever .
brownbr
March 2020
That sneaky mill boss.
KKarns
March 2020
Love it Robert. Stacked lumber looks perfect. Still find myself drawn to your wood treatment, splendidly done.
Dave_S
March 2020
Robert,
Very creative solution for a situation that vexes all modelers who want to add lighting to their structures in a realistic manner without seeing wires exposed all over the place.
Later, Dave S. Tucson, AZ
KCSTrains
March 2020
A great solution. I struggle with hiding the lighting wires. Phil
sdrees
March 2020
Robert, we are cool.
sdrees
March 2020
I have always admired the texture and the color of the weather wood used in your structures.
AlexR
March 2020
Robert,
Have you done a tutorial on how you color your wood?
Robert.G
March 2020
Hi Alex, yes on several occasions in different treads it was explained. Browse trough the builds if you will.
Jerry
March 2020
engine909 said:
And who said we have to always be hugs and kisses? Outside of Kevin and Brett.
This forum brings joy to everyone. A little dust up would never change that. If it did than we are not what I think we are. A group of modelers who care about each other beyond building a kit.
Your still not getting flowers for your birthday next year!!
But your still an okay guy!!
Jerry
Mountaingoat
March 2020
I looked up the definition of ontzagwekkend. I think it fits perfectly:
overwhelming
awe commanding
stupendous
regardful
impressive
grandiose
I can’t add any words to that. Just awesome.
kebmo
March 2020
fantastic work. actually, i’m in awe of anyone that has built this kit; honestly.
Robert.G
March 2020 edited March 2020
This is how I did the lights.
The lamp shades were made from a piece of brass. Drilled a hole and shaped it into a dome .
The bulbs are 16v and 5/64 diameter . No led here. They give a very warm natural light.
I installed two 1/64 brass rods on the beams. Held in wooden brackets epoxied to the beams.
I soldered the. two wires coming from the bulbs to each of the rods.
From the rods go two wires that come together with the ones that were installed separately and form the small cluster hidden by the stacked boards.
A thicker wire goes from the cluster trough the maintenance area under the base and to the transformer.
And some mini scenes and poetry to end this one.
Jerry
March 2020
Nice!!
Jerry
KKarns
March 2020
Effective wiring and it looks like it’s suppose to be there. I tend to never like bright, raw stripwood lumber despite it being perfectly prototypical, but your work here it looks perfect. I think that’s due to the rest of the scene looking so natural and prototypical itself so you expect to see lumber in a sawmill just like that.
Oldman
March 2020
The real deal…all the way 'round.
EricMG
March 2020
End? NO WAY! I want to see the lights on, etc.
Bill
March 2020
Absolutely stunning work, Robert! There’s so many new ideas and interesting interpretations contained within your build.
At the risk at stirring up another disagreement (gulp) I wanted to offer a couple suggestions…
First, if you haven’t fully committed to using traditional incandescent lights, I would strongly recommend looking into mini and micro LEDs. The main advantage is that LEDs last forever. Other than a short, they almost never burn out. My experience with tiny filament bulbs is that they generate considerable heat and they burn out faster than I’d anticipated. Based only on the pictures you posted earlier today, it appears that the wiring you have already installed could easily be adapted to work with LEDs. Perhaps it’s too late. But, if you’re interested, I can offer more information.
Second, I’m not real sure about the stacked lumber above the office. The location strikes me as a storage area rather than a lumber drying space. They stacked lumber that way (with the spacers) to allow air flow in between the boards. For that reason, they usually (not always!) would stack them outside so the wind could aid in drying. My suggestion would be a collection a crates, boxes, barrels and drums in that area and still hide all of the electrical components. If you’re running low on those types of castings, make a stack of small blocks/rectangles out of scrap stripwood chopped to look like boxes (possibly covered with a tarp?). Then, with any remaining box/crate castings, place those in front of the scrap blocks to better disguise them.
Again, no offense is intended. Just wanting to throw out a couple observations!
Bill
Robert.G
March 2020
No, no, Eric, this isn’t the end. Just this part. I need to work more on details, final assembly, nature around the mill etc. I would never leave it like that.
Thanks Ken , Oldman, for the input and observations. Ed, you are like a moderator/entertainer who fills in the comments with oneliners and sharp observations. I like that… even we never see any of your builds…
Thanks for your accurate observations Bill. First, I would NEVER feel offended by you guys. Anyone who contributes to this forum , in whatever way, has the right to say what they want and give their proper opinion. One can only learn from that.
So, the lights are already installed. I know Bill what you mean, and I considered leds, but so far, I haven’t found them in the right ‘bulb’ model. That, the shape of the bulb, and the lampshade are for me more important than the fact they may burn out quicker than leds. Now, I have on my layout these bulbs installed on some parts and I must say the are still lasting after years. On the other hand, they don’t burn for hours and hours. But yes you are right, they give off heat. Therefore I have tested this. I installed a bulb even in a wooden beam and it didn’t start a fire… And there is NO plastic in my buildings so…no melting. But any information on leds might be useful for all of us .
For the stacks of lumber on the attic, even when dry, boards are kept that way. I see it here where I live in France, were several mills are working. Even on my own ‘wood strorage attic’ I keep them like that. It’s to prevent them from warping.
But I did think of the crates like you suggested.
For now, the mill will be at rest for a while. I am in Belgium and everything else I need to finish it is in France. And since the borders are closed, I can’t get out…Damn.!!!
So don’t panic, soon more.
Fortunately, I kept here a kit at hand for emergencies like this. The Rigging Shed. Probably the next in between build.
Now I am working on a Berkshire Valley white metal truck kit. A matter of getting through these terrible times.
This being said, I hope you all get trough them in good health, same for your dear ones.
Robert.
EricMG
March 2020
Robert, if you would like tips on the BV build, e-mail or call. They have a few “issues.” I know Brett does not want other manufactures discussed here.
Another thought. Logs in Maine were always dried while being sprayed with water. If you stack the wood with gaps, it will dry too quickly and warp and split. Wood only dries correctly through the end grain. At least this is what I’ve been told. But most wood at lumberyards is trash now. JUNK!
Robert.G
March 2020
If the wood isn’t perfectly dry, less than 12 %, and stacked without slats, it will show stains, especially when there is tannin in the wood. Oak, chestnut etc. Pine can turn blue.
Been working with wood al my life.
The spraying with water is done here when it is too hot and the logs could split before sawing.
You are right that most wood in lumberyards doesn’t have the quality it should have. It is dried too fast. Before WWII logs were watered for years and then cut. The watering would rinse the sap out and made the wood more stable afterwards.
You are also right that wood dries more by the end grain. That is why they put a sealer on the ends . A sort of wax. By doing this, the wood dries more evenly.
I sent you a mail about the BV.
EricMG
March 2020
But you have your wood stacked without slats!
Robert.G
March 2020
That’s the wood ready to be taken by the trucks. It wouldn’t be stored on the loading platform…
brownbr
March 2020
The saw marks on those stacked 4x8 look a little straight. You should go back and re-do the marks with curves to match the diameter of the sawblade.
MuddyCreekRR
April 2020
Add in a woodchuck…chucking some wood…
Robert.G
April 2020
Like I mentioned, this build is far from finished, so loads of details , nature, the works, need to be added. Good idea, a woodchuck.
brownbr
April 2020
A woodchuck chucking wood sounds like something I would do.
TomMich
April 202
Yeah but how much wood could a woodchuck chuck?
Dave_S
April 2020
If a woodchuck could chuck wood?
MuddyCreekRR
April 2020
Depends if he has a chainsaw…or not…
kebmo
April 2020
which raises the question, how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
bryan, don’t be surprised if he “fixes” he saw banding.
Robert.G
April 2020
I think there will be some 25 lamps all over the place.
Robert.G
May 2020
Wake up guys, here is something to keep you busy . I finished my most ambitious project. The O scale Sawmill. The Mother of all SW kits. What a ride that was. I am still shaking after taking the photos.
So, what is going on here..? As you will see some changes have been made. First, like I explained before, I wanted to have as much light in there as possible, hence the skylights. I created a scene that shows how the really old, rusted and rotten corrugated roof over the boiler is changed. Excuse to give that one more light . That is such an awesome casting as is the mill engine that I wanted to give them more attention.
Another thing I showed and that , by my knowledge hasn’t been shown here, is the build up mountain of ashes that comes from the boiler.
More pics with lights will follow. Start with these… There are a lot !!!
This is/ was a really awesome kit to build. A huge project but worth every penny and hour to get it done. Well, actually months, many months…
Thanks for your support , comments and the time for watching this epic build.
Robert
admin
May 2020
Outstanding, what an amazing build. So much to take in here.
EricMG
May 2020
Robert, it is truly a masterpiece. It defines the word masterpiece. Well done, my friend. I would love to see a photo from the top to understand the layout of the mill better. Thanks!
brownbr
May 2020
This is quite an accomplishment. One to be proud of for sure.
Jerry
May 2020
One of best ever built.
Jerry
Mountaingoat
May 2020
I have to keep reminding myself this is a model. Such attention to every little nuance. Absolutely a masterpiece.
Rick
mikemettelka
May 2020
Really… really… really!?!
ALCOALCO
May 2020
Let me see if I understand. This is a model?
TomMich
May 2020
AMAZING! So much to take in! Looks so real that I can smell the sawdust and hear the machinery. Thanks for sharing.
MuddyCreekRR
May 2020
Wow…fantastic…….so many of the photos look like they are more than a model. Love all the wood details…I like the skylights…they do light up the mill a lot.
Geezerbill
May 2020
Robert I have followed this build in the background. It is an example of suburb modeling at the highest level. I really like the skylights. They make your interior modeling and interior details come to life. I also like how you incorporated the steel roofing repair. Very nicely due Robert. Thank you so much for sharing this masterpiece.
Geezerbill
sdrees
May 2020
Robert, you have done it again, one of your fabulous models and your photography is just awesome too.
KCSTrains
May 2020
Robert, another outstanding build. Congratulations. You should be very proud. Phil
brownbr
May 2020
I just noticed that you made a pair of folding rulers.
vietnamseabee
May 2020
Alco spoke my thoughts exactly…well done
Terry
CarlLaskey
May 2020
Robert.
I am going down to the basement and put a tarp over everything that I have built and take up ping pong…Carl…
ALCOALCO
May 2020
engine909 said:
ALCO, I agree, I may have to make a trip to confirm.
Je parle un petit peu de Francais…
TomH
May 2020
There’s one shot where the edge of the diorama shows. It’s the only way I could be certain I was looking at a model.
WOW!
Dave_S
May 2020
Robert,
Most of the well deserved accolades have already been recorded but I want to add mine as well. I am anticipating that the feature article for the 2021 On30 Annual will be this magnificent build of a very complex kit that requires mastery of a number of fine craftsmanship skills to achieve. An artistic masterpiece
Later, Dave S. Tucson, AZ
KKarns
May 2020 edited May 2020
The Sawmill proper…well I knew it was outstanding way before this…is incredible and deserves every praise it gets, which will be many! But you know what blew me away?.. your road, grass and scenic work is stellar my friend!..Good gracious…6th picture up from the bottom…damn man…that is the best combination of bare sand/dirt, grass, weeds, etc…I have seen in a long time. And I have the nerve to be conducting a scenic thread with this work being done…I should transfer the thread over to you! Only thing to do?..go put some bourbon and ice in my tumbler and mumble to myself!
Robert.G
May 2020
Thank you so much dear colleagues, this means a lot to me.
If any of you guys wants those photos in high resolution, just send me your email and I will transfer them with Wetransfer.
Forums have limitations for posting photos. I no because I sometimes want to enlarge one of yours to see details and it just gives pixels…
So, let me know.
By the way, Ken, you are doing a SUPER job on the dirt/dioramas thread which , of cours, I follow very attentively. There is ALWAYS something to learn…Thanks for that.
Robert.G
May 2020
Little grammar mistake… I KNOW. because.. and …of course…
TomMich
May 2020
I agree with Ken’s observation about the scenery. The structure is outstanding, but the scenery in which it is placed makes it look real as many have commented on. It’s hard to tell where the model ends and the real backdrop begins.
And yes, the skylights really help illuminate the interior so all the nice detail can be seen.
AlexR
May 2020
with the higher resolution photos i’m sure well see all kinds of extras… what a generous offer.
However, i learned my lesson with “oh Robert did that, that would be kind of cool” .
did you use a static grass applicator? also, it looks like there are some tall weeds on the edge? are those on the diorama? in North Texas we have a weed called Johnson Grass, some of the weeds look kind of like johnson grass (a nice touch).
Robert.G
May 2020
Yes a static grass applicator was used for the.. well ,the grass. And when that was done, I went over it with a vacuum cleaner, like a couple of inches above the grass. That helps to make it stand up even more. The weeds and small 'greeneries ’ are put on manually.
No Johnson weeds around here…
And Alex, I never felt to good to use ideas or techniques from others so I can see no harm.. In the end , one always ends up by giving it a personal touch. Just take a look at one specific kit and see how many versions are generated..
AlexR
May 2020
yeah, i VERY nearly got in over my head with that lantern…
i guess that’s the difference between someone who knows what they’re doing and someone learning… The learner doesn’t even realize they’re about to get in over their head .
KKarns
May 2020
Hey Robert, send me a good image of the picture I was referring to. Love to see that up close!..Thanks, Ken
Robert.G
May 2020 92.188.16.33
As promised, the night photos.
I hollowed the truck’s headlights and put two leds in them.
mikemettelka
May 2020
Speechless…
CarlLaskey
May 2020
OK Robert what next this is a Masterpiece to Behold.
Thank You for time to share your wonderful gift…Carl…
Mountaingoat
May 2020
Lighting adds so much. I echo Carl. Rick
MuddyCreekRR
May 2020
Outstanding work my friend…the lighting looks great…
sdrees
May 2020
What else can I say, fantastic, and the lighting is just great.
ALCOALCO
May 2020
Truck lights are “next level”.
TomH
May 2020
Ed, I was just looking at the hi res pictures that Robert graciously shared. It seems to me to be the rarest kind of model that just seems to look better the more you take in. You are correct. The bar is raised significantly.
KCSTrains
June 2020
The night shots are really great and show off these magnificent structure. Phil
Joel
June 2020
Robert, nothing to add except more of the same. Fantastic build of a fantastic model. Doesn’t get better than this.
EricMG
June 2020
Your place, your sawmill, is part of my reality now. Just as I have lived it, because I have.
KKarns
June 2020
Now you’re just showing off! Lol…beautiful job on the lighting…slow down! I’m just getting over the day time pictures…superior modeling overload!
Robert.G
June 2020
Thank you very much guys for the nice, warm and poetic comments.
This was a build I shall not easily forget !!! Now I’m gonna expand the diorama and take it on the road. It was too much work just to leave it as is.
Several expositions are already scheduled.
I was also asked by Chris Lane ( editor of the 0n30 annual) to do an article for the 2021 edition of the 0n30 annual as I did for this years edition with the Tractor and Logging Repair Shed. (not showing off Ken.. )
So , apparently, after the actual build, the Sawmill Project starts a life of its own…
Meanwhile I am contemplating my next build..
See you soon…
AlexR
June 2020
“Now I’m gonna expand the diorama”
Robert, care to share your ideas?
Mountaingoat
June 2020
I was hoping this would be in the On30 annual. Great to hear Chris reached out to you. Congrats!..Rick
patrick
June 2020 edited June 2020 96.22.0.59
Really nice work, especially all the details on the machinery!!!
By comparison, here is mine in Nscale
Mountaingoat
June 2020
If you that well in N scale, I can only imagine what you can do in O scale. Anxious to see you build.
Rick
patrick
June 2020
patrick said:
By comparison, here is mine in Nscale
Sorry about it, my picture was too large…
Here is a smaller version.
Pennman
June 2020
Robert,
Echoing what everyone else has said, this is beyond beautiful! Modeling in the first degree. I especially like night shots and heck, day shots too.
Rich
Geezerbill
July 2020
Robert, this is better than it gets. What a joy to view and read your construction of the Sawmill kit. It is beyond outstanding. As all of your builds are so incredibly realistic. Your eye for color tones and ability to achieve them is just remarkable. All the detail parts placement and color is so natural. Simply a joy to view !! Thank you so much for sharing!
Geezerbill